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Re: Game Thread - 9/15 - Keystone Bumblers @ Reds
Reply #15 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 10:27pm
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JollyRoger wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 9:38pm:
13 games left and a 2.5 games lead for the #1 pick.
That is all that matters this season?


getting the first pick three years in a row may be the best thing that could happen. (if BC and company are any good).
  
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Re: Game Thread - 9/15 - Keystone Bumblers @ Reds
Reply #16 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 12:36am
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Ecbucs wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 10:27pm:
[quote author=4F6A69697C576A626077050 link=1600200516/14#14 date=1600220282]13 games left and a 2.5 games lead for the #1 pick.
That is all that matters this season?


getting the first pick three years in a row may be the best thing that could happen. (if BC and company are any good).[/quote

We really don't know if the worst record picks first... do we ?

  
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Re: Game Thread - 9/15 - Keystone Bumblers @ Reds
Reply #17 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 7:02am
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Bobster wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 9:03pm:
Doc wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 8:44pm:
See what I mean?  Make that three strike outs in three at bats.

The Reds announcer called Polanco "a sucker for a high fastball." I'd say the Pirates are suckers for playing him.

BC doesn't have to defend the moves of the prior regime. BC wasn't the one who said Polanco would be part of a dream OF. So I just don't see why Polanco continues to play as if he's too good not to. They are looking at players so why waste time with Polanco? There a solid body of evidence that at his very best he could achieve mediocrity. He's a 7 year veteran, a career .247 hitter with a career best .258. Not a good fielder or base runner. And not even a legit power hitter with only 2 seasons of low 20 HRs as his best. And 4 SBs in the last 4 years. I'd rather see anybody play than Polanco. He has nothing more to prove.


The Pirates kept saying how good he looked in both Spring Training sessions.  This new management didn't know what he turns into once the season starts?  I don't know how.  His body of work over his previous seasons should've made it apparent.  They now have a bunch of games to know.  Enough already.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 7:42am
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Doc wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 7:02am:
Bobster wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 9:03pm:
Doc wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 8:44pm:
See what I mean?  Make that three strike outs in three at bats.

The Reds announcer called Polanco "a sucker for a high fastball." I'd say the Pirates are suckers for playing him.

BC doesn't have to defend the moves of the prior regime. BC wasn't the one who said Polanco would be part of a dream OF. So I just don't see why Polanco continues to play as if he's too good not to. They are looking at players so why waste time with Polanco? There a solid body of evidence that at his very best he could achieve mediocrity. He's a 7 year veteran, a career .247 hitter with a career best .258. Not a good fielder or base runner. And not even a legit power hitter with only 2 seasons of low 20 HRs as his best. And 4 SBs in the last 4 years. I'd rather see anybody play than Polanco. He has nothing more to prove.


The Pirates kept saying how good he looked in both Spring Training sessions.  This new management didn't know what he turns into once the season starts?  I don't know how.  His body of work over his previous seasons should've made it apparent.  They now have a bunch of games to know.  Enough already.

I truly hope BC takes a fresh approach and doesn't rely on existing reports about players from before he was hired. I suspect he's being told how much talent Polanco has and how they need to bring it out of him. And if he's listening to the old organizational BS about Polanco then he's probably listening to them on other players too (Neverauskas?, Bell at 1B?). A huge problem this organization has had is its incompetence in assessing talent. BC needs to say "Enough already. If these guys can't do the job after so many chances we'll find someone else."

But this idea that if they keep playing Polanco he'll become the player they always wished he would be but never was...or that if they keep putting Bell at 1B he'll become adequate....or if they keep pitching Neveraukas he'll become a great reliever and pave the way for the Pirates to tap into that rich Lithuanian pitching market  Roll Eyes is not accomplishing anything.

  
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Reply #19 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:13am
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I've said for a few years now and it's still true ... ALL of the Pirates starting pitchers would, at best be, a No. 4 or 5 starter on a good team. The Pirates hype them up as being "good" and being "No. 1 or No. 2 starters" ... but they are only good and No. 1 starters BY PIRATE STANDARDS ... and that is by far the lowest bar and lowest standard in MLB. On a real team, the likes of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, etc... would be a decent No. 5 starter.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:22am
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Carolina Bucco wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:13am:
I've said for a few years now and it's still true ... ALL of the Pirates starting pitchers would, at best be, a No. 4 or 5 starter on a good team. The Pirates hype them up as being "good" and being "No. 1 or No. 2 starters" ... but they are only good and No. 1 starters BY PIRATE STANDARDS ... and that is by far the lowest bar and lowest standard in MLB. On a real team, the likes of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, etc... would be a decent No. 5 starter.

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Reply #21 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:29am
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Pitching for the Pirates is no different from pitching anywhere else.

LMGs don't cut it.  For the one who does, there are 50 who won't.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:30am
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Bobster wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:22am:
Carolina Bucco wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:13am:
I've said for a few years now and it's still true ... ALL of the Pirates starting pitchers would, at best be, a No. 4 or 5 starter on a good team. The Pirates hype them up as being "good" and being "No. 1 or No. 2 starters" ... but they are only good and No. 1 starters BY PIRATE STANDARDS ... and that is by far the lowest bar and lowest standard in MLB. On a real team, the likes of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, etc... would be a decent No. 5 starter.

So true.  Sad

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Reply #23 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:33am
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JollyRoger wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 9:38pm:
13 games left and a 2.5 games lead for the #1 pick.
That is all that matters this season?

Yep- #1 pick looking good
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:41am
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GreenWeenie wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:29am:
Pitching for the Pirates is no different from pitching anywhere else.

LMGs don't cut it.  For the one who does, there are 50 who won't.

Archer wasn't a LMG. The Pirates just can't tell tell the difference between ability and inability. 
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:46am
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Archer was bad judgment on Huntington's part.  That's been established.  I agree.  Pitching has not been our strong suit often.  On the few occasion it's been, keeping it is another area of weakness, as we know.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 9:46am
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WildwoodDave wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:33am:
Yep- #1 pick looking good


As we've discussed elsewhere, it's not set in stone that this year's worst record gets the first pick. 

This is quick and dirty, fewest wins for 2019-20 combined:

Tigers: 47+21=68
Orioles: 54+21=75
Royals: 59+20=79
Marlins: 57+24=81
Pirates: 69+14=83
Mariners: 68+22=90
Angels: 72+20=92
Rockies: 71+ 21=92
Blue Jays: 67+26=93
Rangers: 78+17=95
Reds: 75+24=99

Formula where 2020 counts double:

Tigers: 47+21+21=89
Orioles: 54+21+21=96
Pirates: 69+14+14=97
Royals: 59+20+20=99
Marlins: 57+24+24= 105

Tigers have 11 games scheduled, Orioles 12, Royals 11, Pirates 13, Marlins 14

Anyway, if they reach back to 2019, it'll be pretty hard to beat the Tigers.

Edit: I've also seen a suggestion they'll go back 162 games, including about the last hundred games of 2019. Tigers 46-105, with 11 to play, Pirates 54-95, with 13 to play.  Tigers really stink.
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Reply #27 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:14am
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I wonder how many of the past 20 years of top five picks (100 in all) amounted to much.

A) Some are too recent to tell.

B) Some are on horrendous clubs (and the Pirates are horrendous at best.)

C) None of the 100 can do much alone (Refer back to B.)

Who here wants to ***wait*** another three years, and why should we be expected to?

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Reply #28 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:29am
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GreenWeenie wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 9:13pm:
Mustgroove is to Cole what Stallings was to Dixon.

I have absolutely no idea what this means, not clever though to anyone except the author I suspect.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 11:05am
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It means that Mustgroove can't carry Cole's jock.
  
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