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May 22nd, 2020 at 8:43pm
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The thread on the Pirate pitcher reminded me of this kid.  Said to be better than Clemente. I remember reading about him when this tragedy happened. Any of you other old guys remember him ?

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Re: Alfredo Edmead
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2020 at 9:04pm
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steve 49 wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 8:43pm:
The thread on the Pirate pitcher reminded me of this kid.  Said to be better than Clemente. I remember reading about him when this tragedy happened. Any of you other old guys remember him ?

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I remember this and the Sporting News had a detailed story.  I didn't remember his name though.
  
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Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2020 at 9:39pm
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He's sort of tied together with Alberto Lois, who was discussed in the birthday thread recently.  They were teammates for the Dominican Republic at the Pan American Games, and the Pirates made a big splash in scouting circles by signing both players.  Of course, in that era a big splash meant that it got a mention in the Sporting News.

Joe L. Brown used to have a Sunday morning show, and every week at the end he'd do a profile of a prospect. I assume that he profiled Edmead at some point, because I remember that Edmead's death was reported on the radio and I knew who he was and felt sad (I was 15).  It wasn't that long after Clemente had died.
  

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Reply #3 - May 23rd, 2020 at 5:31am
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I had forgotten about that, but this made me remember him.  I wasn't aware that he was so highly regarded, though.

As for the article, one statement makes me wonder:  it says how many players in the 2017 ASG were first rounders.  Seems high to me.  We keep hearing that, in baseball (really, in every sport) that the draft is a gamble; that so many don't pan out.  Yet, this says that a good number of first rounders became All Stars.  Am I missing something?
  
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Reply #4 - May 23rd, 2020 at 6:40am
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Been around for a long time but I did not know about this one. Interesting story and a real shame.
  

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Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2020 at 9:35am
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GreenWeenie wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 5:31am:
I had forgotten about that, but this made me remember him.  I wasn't aware that he was so highly regarded, though.

As for the article, one statement makes me wonder:  it says how many players in the 2017 ASG were first rounders.  Seems high to me.  We keep hearing that, in baseball (really, in every sport) that the draft is a gamble; that so many don't pan out.  Yet, this says that a good number of first rounders became All Stars.  Am I missing something?


The number was 20.

Figure you have 30 first round picks per year. Being conservative , say you just take 9 year vets and younger. That would mean that 20 of the 270 picks made the All Star game.
  
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Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2020 at 9:58am
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Edmead had 61 stolen bases.  Playing beside him in center was Miguel Dilone, who hit .330 with 85 steals.  Omar Moreno, a year ahead in Double A, stole 67.  The team emphasized speed more over power when they moved to artificial turf, and they sure got the speed, but after a while the hitters' dried up and they had to take chances on guys like Hendrick, Kemp, etc.
  

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Reply #7 - May 23rd, 2020 at 11:31am
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I have been a Pirate fan since about 1970 and I never knew of Edmead.  After reading Gammons story, I googled Edmead and linked to this story from Baseball Reference.   As disclaimers go, this account is pretty disturbing.  Made my eyes water. 

Today and Monday I will go to the cemetery to honor those whose lives ended too soon, unable to fulfil the untold potential of a full life.   Life is precious and fleeting.  I woke up having never heard of Edmead -- I will go to bed wondering had he not had that accident, would every baseball fan know his name?       

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Alfredo_Edmead
  
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Reply #8 - May 23rd, 2020 at 1:42pm
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INbuc wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 11:31am:
I have been a Pirate fan since about 1970 and I never knew of Edmead.  After reading Gammons story, I googled Edmead and linked to this story from Baseball Reference.   As disclaimers go, this account is pretty disturbing.  Made my eyes water. 

Today and Monday I will go to the cemetery to honor those whose lives ended too soon, unable to fulfil the untold potential of a full life.   Life is precious and fleeting.  I woke up having never heard of Edmead -- I will go to bed wondering had he not had that accident, would every baseball fan know his name?       

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Alfredo_Edmead


Yes , no doubt horribly tragic. Not for nothing but if you read Cruz's version in the link , he says Alfredo did not crash into the knee with the brace as some (your link)reported.
  
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Reply #9 - May 23rd, 2020 at 3:00pm
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steve 49 wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 9:35am:
GreenWeenie wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 5:31am:
I had forgotten about that, but this made me remember him.  I wasn't aware that he was so highly regarded, though.

As for the article, one statement makes me wonder:  it says how many players in the 2017 ASG were first rounders.  Seems high to me.  We keep hearing that, in baseball (really, in every sport) that the draft is a gamble; that so many don't pan out.  Yet, this says that a good number of first rounders became All Stars.  Am I missing something?


The number was 20.

Figure you have 30 first round picks per year. Being conservative , say you just take 9 year vets and younger. That would mean that 20 of the 270 picks made the All Star game.


I was thinking of long-time veterans, like those "feel good/washed up guys" who make their ASG curtain calls, so 15 or even 20 years.  If you go that far out, then it's even rarer. 

So, I guess that just goes to show how tough it is to predict the players who will go onto bigger and better things, even just once.

  
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Reply #10 - May 23rd, 2020 at 4:52pm
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GreenWeenie wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 3:00pm:
steve 49 wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 9:35am:
GreenWeenie wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 5:31am:
I had forgotten about that, but this made me remember him.  I wasn't aware that he was so highly regarded, though.

As for the article, one statement makes me wonder:  it says how many players in the 2017 ASG were first rounders.  Seems high to me.  We keep hearing that, in baseball (really, in every sport) that the draft is a gamble; that so many don't pan out.  Yet, this says that a good number of first rounders became All Stars.  Am I missing something?


The number was 20.

Figure you have 30 first round picks per year. Being conservative , say you just take 9 year vets and younger. That would mean that 20 of the 270 picks made the All Star game.


I was thinking of long-time veterans, like those "feel good/washed up guys" who make their ASG curtain calls, so 15 or even 20 years.  If you go that far out, then it's even rarer. 

So, I guess that just goes to show how tough it is to predict the players who will go onto bigger and better things, even just once.



It's kind of crazy math. If you look at a baseball draft , there are 38 rounds. Add to that all the international signings. Then compare that to that 2017 All Star stat you brought up. there were 60 players in that game and 20 of them were first round picks.

That would mean 33% of the players were drafted in the first round. If you figure the draft is say... 43 rounds if you include the international signings (and that's really low) , that would mean everything equal you would have just over 2% that would come from each round. So that would mean your first post saying 20 players is a lot would be correct.

It would also mean first round picks have WAY , WAY more of a chance to excel than the laster round picks. That all said , I did not check other All Star rosters or even confirm that there were 20 in the 2017 game.
  
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Reply #11 - May 23rd, 2020 at 10:09pm
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I was thinking the same thing after I posted.  Even if other years had 15, or even 10 first rounders in them, that still says something.
  
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