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Dodgers get Russ Martin
Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:46pm
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Dodgers acquired C Russell Martin and cash from the Blue Jays for SS Ronny Brito and RHP Andrew Sopko
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:05pm
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Between Tulo and Russ, it sounds like the Jays will have a lot of dead money on their hands this season.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:03pm
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I can hear the opening day announcement now ---

And starting for your Pittsburgh Pirates at catcher - Francisco Cervelli. 

Obviously, I have no idea regarding the supposed discussions between the Pirates and the Dodgers, but for a moment, regardless of how brief of a moment that it was, I was hoping that the two could work out a deal. 

Looks like the Jays were more desperate to move Martin.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm
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MaineBucs wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:03pm:
I can hear the opening day announcement now ---

And starting for your Pittsburgh Pirates at catcher - Francisco Cervelli. 

Obviously, I have no idea regarding the supposed discussions between the Pirates and the Dodgers, but for a moment, regardless of how brief of a moment that it was, I was hoping that the two could work out a deal. 

Looks like the Jays were more desperate to move Martin. 

I just don't see why any team would want to acquire Cervelli. He misses too many games with injuries. In particular, his history of concussions results in him frequently missing games on the concussion protocol even if he doesn't go on the DL. He's always 1 foul tip off the mask away from missing games. It works well for the Pirates because they have an equally able catcher in Diaz. But most teams don't have a backup as good as the starting catcher and would suffer a drop off if they acquired Cervelli and he missed a lot of games. And if they already have such a catcher on their roster, there is no need to acquire Cervelli. It's not even a question of getting the Pirates to pay a chunk of his salary. If he can't play, he's of no use regardless of what a team is paying him. I expect Cervelli and Diaz to again share the Pirates' catching. Cervelli is a free agent after the season and could be dealt at the Aug 31 trade deadline to help a team in the pennant race. Teams would be more interested in him for a short period than to count on him for the entire season.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:06pm
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Bobster wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
MaineBucs wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:03pm:
I can hear the opening day announcement now ---

And starting for your Pittsburgh Pirates at catcher - Francisco Cervelli. 

Obviously, I have no idea regarding the supposed discussions between the Pirates and the Dodgers, but for a moment, regardless of how brief of a moment that it was, I was hoping that the two could work out a deal. 

Looks like the Jays were more desperate to move Martin. 

I just don't see why any team would want to acquire Cervelli. He misses too many games with injuries. In particular, his history of concussions results in him frequently missing games on the concussion protocol even if he doesn't go on the DL. He's always 1 foul tip off the mask away from missing games. It works well for the Pirates because they have an equally able catcher in Diaz. But most teams don't have a backup as good as the starting catcher and would suffer a drop off if they acquired Cervelli and he missed a lot of games. And if they already have such a catcher on their roster, there is no need to acquire Cervelli. It's not even a question of getting the Pirates to pay a chunk of his salary. If he can't play, he's of no use regardless of what a team is paying him. I expect Cervelli and Diaz to again share the Pirates' catching. Cervelli is a free agent after the season and could be dealt at the Aug 31 trade deadline to help a team in the pennant race. Teams would be more interested in him for a short period than to count on him for the entire season.


I bet the Bucs would have taken the deal that Blue Jays got for Martin but Dodgers wanted Martin.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:19am
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I don’t understand why people are trying to dump cervelli. I think best case scenario is a time share with those two so that Diaz can be primed for an everyday role in 2020.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 10:28am
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Orlando Merced wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:19am:
I don’t understand why people are trying to dump cervelli. I think best case scenario is a time share with those two so that Diaz can be primed for an everyday role in 2020.


I think it is a mixture of opinions

1. Cervelli will be free agent at end of year so get something in return for him

2.  The Bucs want to move him to save money

I could see the Bucs asking him to come back in 2020 as a back-up catcher/ insurance if something happens to Diaz.  However that would be for a salary lower than 5 million.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:36pm
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Orlando Merced wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:19am:
I don’t understand why people are trying to dump cervelli. I think best case scenario is a time share with those two so that Diaz can be primed for an everyday role in 2020.


Much like trading Nova rendered the strength/depth of our starting pitching staff less formidable, trading Cervelli would do the same thing at the catching position. I can't see any realistic way that trading Cervelli helps the Pirates be more competitive this coming season. So, if one is hoping for the Pirates to compete, then it would be counterintuitive to want to deal Cervelli. Perhaps those that are suggesting it, have considerably over optimistic expectations of what the potential return would be, or a lack of faith that Cervelli can stay healthy enough to help the team. I think the best case scenario you suggest is in fact the best case scenario.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:23pm
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If the Pirates keep Cervelli and lose him as a free agent, wouldn't we get at least a draft pick? And wouldn't that be about the same value we might get now if we traded him? Pirates need a SS and a starting pitcher. They have about $30 million in salary capacity to accomplish that and perhaps obtain some outfield depth. We don't need any more salary flexibility, we need a few more players.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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Roberto218 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
If the Pirates keep Cervelli and lose him as a free agent, wouldn't we get at least a draft pick? And wouldn't that be about the same value we might get now if we traded him? Pirates need a SS and a starting pitcher. They have about $30 million in salary capacity to accomplish that and perhaps obtain some outfield depth. We don't need any more salary flexibility, we need a few more players.


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Reply #10 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 12:22am
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Roberto218 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
If the Pirates keep Cervelli and lose him as a free agent, wouldn't we get at least a draft pick? And wouldn't that be about the same value we might get now if we traded him? Pirates need a SS and a starting pitcher. They have about $30 million in salary capacity to accomplish that and perhaps obtain some outfield depth. We don't need any more salary flexibility, we need a few more players.


they would only get a draft pick if they made him a qualifying offer. This off season that required about $18 million.
  
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