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Cole dealt to Astros
Jan 13th, 2018 at 6:31pm
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Don't know if this is confirmed or not.  Seems like a light return for Cole.

The Astros will acquire right-hander Gerrit Cole from the Pirates for righty Joe Musgrove and third baseman Colin Moran, Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports reports.
  
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Re: Cole dealt to Astros
Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 6:41pm
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First gut reaction is that they should have gotten more.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 6:42pm
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Supposed to be 2 more players coming back
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 6:46pm
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Michael Feliz is named.  was in Astros bullpen the past couple years.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:02pm
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Feliz 70 K- 48 IP, but a lot of HR let up; Musgrove could step into the rotation, Moran should at least have a chance to make the club at 3B, if not replace Freese; I don't think it's a bad deal so far; the only thing is that the players acquired are only like a year younger than Cole.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:08pm
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Gotta hope that Feliz becomes close to being a righthanded Rivero, Musgrove a decent starter, and that Moran can be regular at third.

Jason Martin is other player, young outfielder with good bat but not a lot of power yet.

My take is that the Bucs didn't get anyone back that has good chance of being an all star type player.

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:15pm
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For real this time?
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:36pm
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Ecbucs wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Gotta hope that Feliz becomes close to being a righthanded Rivero, Musgrove a decent starter, and that Moran can be regular at third.

Jason Martin is other player, young outfielder with good bat but not a lot of power yet.

My take is that the Bucs didn't get anyone back that has good chance of being an all star type player.



really?

first glance at his stats and he seems to have very intriguing power with some speed.

for a guy about Cutch size
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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Martin had 18 HR last year in A & AA. He has 23 HR the year before in A ball.
  
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Re: Cole dealt to Astros
Reply #9 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:43pm
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First impression is that it seems like an underwhelming package overall but I like the pieces
  
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Re: Cole dealt to Astros
Reply #10 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:47pm
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First impression.  Glad to get rid of Cole.  I always thought he was a Kip Wells type pitcher with a sour attitude.  Stomped around like he thought he was A.J. Burnett but didn't have the moxie to back it up.  All bark and no bite!!  That said...... he will likely turn into Jason Schmidt in the 3rd or 4th slot in Houston's rotation.  He will do well in that spot in a rotation.  He is not a #1.  May one day be a #1 but isn't right now. 

As far as the return....... meh
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 8:17pm
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I do love getting Moran back. Martin seems to have some power, but he isn't ranked very high by the experts. Feliz will probably go right to the bullpen, which is a need.

I did want a different pitcher than Musgrove. He seems to be the question mark. He struggled last year as a Starter. Will he start for the Pirates?
  
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Re: Cole dealt to Astros
Reply #12 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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ChitownBucco wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:36pm:
Ecbucs wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Gotta hope that Feliz becomes close to being a righthanded Rivero, Musgrove a decent starter, and that Moran can be regular at third.

Jason Martin is other player, young outfielder with good bat but not a lot of power yet.

My take is that the Bucs didn't get anyone back that has good chance of being an all star type player.



really?

first glance at his stats and he seems to have very intriguing power with some speed.

for a guy about Cutch size


He certainly could have power and based on last two seasons he has hit homers.  His profile on the Astros prospect site though says this:

Martin's hitting ability stands out more than his pop, as he works counts while using a compact left-handed swing to hit line drives to all fields. He does have at least average raw power and is starting to turn on more pitches, so he could become a 15-homer threat in the big leagues. He has solid speed and is improving as a basestealer.
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 8:27pm
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I like Moran.  But I Liked Andy LaRoche too.... (at least Moran bats lefty).

The other three pieces look pretty fungible. 

The Astros are getting good marks on this deal.  I’ve not seen anyone comment on the Pirates.
  
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Re: Cole dealt to Astros
Reply #14 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 8:28pm
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CBS sports comments on players the Bucs received:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-prospect-expert-weighs-in-on-pirates-haul...

Do you think the Pirates got fair value for Cole?
I don't. Yes, Cole struggled for large portions of 2017 and outside of 2015 hasn't looked like the pitcher who was the first overall pick in 2011. He's still a hurler who can miss bats and won't be 28 until September. A player of this talent should have gotten top prospects. I don't think they did.

Moran has been a polarizing prospect -- what's your take on him?
This is your definition of a backup corner infielder. His approach has gone backward -- it was a calling-card when he was at UNC -- and there just isn't a ton of power here. He's also not a terrific defender at third, so you're really talking about a guy who shouldn't be playing every day
  
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